Last sunday towards the end of our atheist league meeting when it was me poch and john left me and poch had a little exchange of ideas. I agreed with the foreign policies of the bush administration and past american interventionist policies while poch disagreed vehemently. Poch saw america as a corrupt superpower which spreads war while i looked at it as the leader of the free world and the spreader of democracies. Take note we are both atheist's. After the meeting our exchange continued through text from 1am and resumed at 4 am.
1AM
Joshua Lipana: Page 138 "End of Faith" Leftist unreason and the strange case of naom chomsky
4AM
Poch suzara: The united states is a "terrorist superpower" and its media its propaganda agent. -naom chomsky
Poch Suzara: And if japan and germany won WW2 the american president and military generals would all be hang as war criminals - you would call that a just war?
Joshua: Well me and chomsky would. the americans were not the aggressors and they were not the ones trying to exterminate races they viewed as inferior
Poch: So the vietnam war was a just war because the vietnamese people had no right to fight the americans because america is never the aggressor?
Josh: Vietnam was for me not a just war I completely agree with you there it was the height of american bullying
Poch: So americans killing each other during the civil war was a just war?
Josh: Yes the north fought the confedaracy because they wanted to free the slaves
Poch: So how come the indians and black americans still struggled for their civil rights to be treated as equals? Who made the money when americans were killing each other?
Josh: Civil Rights is a work in progress specially for us. The arms industry made was making the money. But to keep slavery just to keep arms dealer poor seems unfair. The north had no choice the south was composed with a bunch of fundamentalist slave owners
Josh: It was war or slavery
Poch: Slaves still exist in america though they are called laborers
Poch: Do you really believe the wealthy americans give a shit about the poor americans?
Josh: Tito Poch when did you join the communist party?
Poch: So a guy who disagrees with you is a member of the communist party?
Josh: Im kidding the poor is being oppressed everywhere but in democracies they have a real chance at a comfortable life I am pro-poor and i believe some countries go too far with oppressing their own people when that is happening i believe the goverment should be toppled
Poch: And war, my friend is mostly about the rich getting richer by keeping the poor poorer.
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I Believe War is unfortunate but should be used to topple oppressive governments. The problem with the left is often times they defend the people who commit the most awful atrocities. During our meeting Poch defended the Germans and the japs in their crimes in WW2. The left has always been against America. What i have seen is in the case of Chomsky and other leftist's they are quick to point their finger at the United States of America when ever horrible event occurs in the world. War is unfortunate I agree with my friends in the left but to stand back and let The Nazis kill the jews and annihilate europe or allow the taliban to keep killing and torturing its own people in afganistan and allow other occurences just as awful to continue in the name of peace is to me the height of liberal cowardice.
